Many people have told me that on Sunday night’s television broadcast of What Does The Bible Say? on WGSR – or as I call it “The Martinsville Taliban Show” – local cult leader Johnny Robertson of the “Martinsville Church of Christ” claimed that there are now four robust congregations of the “Church of Christ” (which is nothing like the mainstream Churches of Christ) meeting in this area. Those would be his own Martinsville group, one at the old post office on The Boulevard in Eden, the one that has been coming together in Reidsville at the Holiday Inn Express, and a group meeting in Ruffin.
Robertson alleged that the Ruffin “Church of Christ” had been meeting for “over a year” (his words).
Curiously, the July 5th 2009 broadcast of What Does The Bible Say? on WGSR was the very first time that Robertson or anyone else with the “Church of Christ” has mentioned a group of their own in Ruffin.
Now some very intriguing information has come to light, the upshot of which a rational person could only possibly take to mean that, once again, Johnny Robertson is telling us a bald-faced lie.
It turns out that there are only three congregations of the “Church of Christ” that are currently meeting in the area… and maybe not even that many!
James Oldfield, previously of the Reidsville congregation, is conducting the services for the cult in Eden. Robertson is still in Martinsville. There has been thus far no evidence that a Ruffin cell of the cult is meeting at all…
…and the Reidsville congregation is now completely defunct! Sources have told this blogger that “This meeting is no longer being held, nor is any meeting of their group being held in Reidsville.” The reason? “This would seem to say that folks in Reidsville are too wise for the tactics of this group, and have rejected participation in this ‘sect’.”
So Reidsville has proven too much for Robertson’s cult. Let us pray that other communities in this area – and wherever else they try to harass – will prove too much for them also.
Meanwhile, other sources have been telling me that the cult’s much-ballyhooed two weeks of “tent service” in Danville and the accompanying thirty hours of television airtime that Robertson purchased on WGSR has been “a bust and a sham”. In spite of what Robertson and Oldfield publicly claimed was a large outreach in the Danville area, very few people showed up during nightly services at the tent (and Robertson himself did “little or none at all” knocking on doors, choosing to order his goons out instead). I can say that The Knight Shift blog is in possession of numerous photographs that attest to the low turnout at the “Church of Christ” tent but as these might well identify the person who took the photos, I have been asked to withhold publishing them here.
I haven’t seen the footage, but several people have told me that during Sunday night’s broadcast Robertson aired a tape of himself accosting the wife of some local minister in the parking lot of the Wal-Mart in Martinsville. Robertson alleged that he “just happened” to see her in the parking lot and coincidentally had his camcorder with him… which the same people have told me that it was pretty obvious that Robertson was stalking the lady (as is his well-documented custom).
Now for the last bit of info for this report…
Folks, I didn’t believe it at first, but plenty of people have been telling me about it and now The Knight Shift can confirm: Johnny Robertson’s “Church of Christ” has been caught digging through the trash cans of people Robertson has decreed to be “enemies” of his cult! They are literally trying to “dig up dirt” that they can use against those they are actively seeking to, as Robertson infamously proclaimed last year, “defeat destroy”.
I’ve read the Bible quite a number of times, but for the life of me I can’t recall any passage that teaches us to go through others’ garbage in order to attack them.
(But then again, Johnny Robertson also claimed recently that he needs a camcorder because he doesn’t have the Holy Spirit… whatever that is supposed to mean.)
The lesser angels of my nature are more than inclined to note that should any member of the cult come to my home and attempt to behave in their typical miscreant fashion, that I will not only shoot him dead, but I will gladly and immediately post full color photographs of his freshly-deceased corpse on this blog. As a warning to the next ten generations that it is the right of each person to seek God as best he or she can understand Him and without fear of harassment.
That’s just the lesser angels of my nature though…
in answere to katie i believe that salvation is given at the point of water babtism by the holy spirit and do not argue his xsistence today
and truth did you talk about me on another blog thats funny dude ok ill just say im 15 ill be a sophmore this year and i live in san angelo texas not royce city
paden, you don't read what people write very well, I sure don't trust your understanding of the Bible.
1 Peter 3:20 it was the ark in which they were in that saved them through the water.
And verse 21 says the baptism is not an outer removal of filth, it is an inner removal of filth giving us a good conscience toward God which is done by the baptism of His Holy Spirit through the blood of Jesus, not water baptism.
Acts 22:16 Paul was baptized with the Holy Spirit not water. Paul was told to arise and be baptized not go down in the water and be baptized.
Romans 6:5 shows Paul is speaking about symbolism in which the likeness we are water baptized.
Peter knew it was repentance that brought forgiveness of sins 2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.”
Mark 16:16 doesn’t say he who is not baptized will be condemned.
Calling upon the name of the Lord is when we are speaking calling to Jesus.
Luke 18:35-43 “Then it happened, as He was coming near Jericho, that a certain blind man sat by the road begging. And hearing a multitude passing by, he asked what it meant. So they told him that Jesus of Nazareth was passing by. And he cried out, saying, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!" Then those who went before warned him that he should be quiet; but he cried out all the more, "Son of David, have mercy on me!" So Jesus stood still and commanded him to be brought to Him. And when he had come near, He asked him, saying, "What do you want Me to do for you?" He said, "Lord, that I may receive my sight." Then Jesus said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has made you well." And immediately he received his sight, and followed Him, glorifying God. And all the people, when they saw it, gave praise to God.”
This man called on Jesus to give him mercy, Jesus who revealed to man God’s nature gave him mercy.
Cornelius’ household was given the Holy Spirit before they were baptized with water. Romans 8:9 “But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.” Those who don’t have the Spirit are not His, those who do have the Spirit belong to Jesus. Cornelius’ household was saved before they were baptized.
ok dude you and me are going to discuss this very deep and i want you to aproach it with an open mind as i will do the same because i have an answere to every one of your comments now lets examine the arguments
1.1 peter 3:20 through 21 the passage reads as folowing
20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by(through) water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
it says nothing about the ark saving it was the water because the ark wouldnt have floated without it and it specificaly says that now the anti-type or like figure is refering to weater babtism not holy spirit babtism
2.acts 22:16 says wash sins away if it wasnt water babtism then it should say removing but wash is in connection with water
3.yes sybolism water babtism is symbolism of Jesus's death but dont ignor what happens you die to sin and arise to walk in newness of life having your sins washed away
4.if you dont believe then you wouldnt be babtized niehter would your babtism mean anything or remove sins so what are you argueing
5.the passage refered to never says calling on the name of the lord and it never sasy he was babtized
6.im glad you chose this one and not the thief on the cross now this would take along time to explain very well so just go to this link for the answere as to why they were not saved befor water babtism but after
http://www.christistheway.com/2004/a04a05aa.html
plz read all argument and consider with an open mind and yes this is froma 15 year old kid
Titus 3:5-6 “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior.”
The Holy Spirit washes us renewing us.
Cornelius’ household was given the Holy Spirit before they were baptized with water. Romans 8:9 “But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.” Those who don’t have the Spirit are not His, those who do have the Spirit belong to Jesus. Cornelius’ household was saved before they were baptized with water.
And isn't it past your bed time. I will be praying for you. Good Bye.
i dont have a bed time and thank you for your prayers i will pray for you to and you are in quoting that verse not of works that we have done babtism is not a work but a condition that you meet where God takes away your sins wich is the gift of the holy ghost acts 2:38 and by the way ilive in texas not the same time zone and did you read that article to see why they were given the holy spirit and why your argument doesnt work
why havent you responded truth and if you havent still read that link i gave ill go ahead and tell you one thing wrong woth your postion of every one who has the holy spirit is saved because if you wish to affirm this position then namins donkey should be saved being as he had the holy spirit because he spoke in human tongue
so you are saying a donkey is capable of having the HS but a human is not??? strange
nope i am sure not im saying just because someone is given the holy spirit does not make them saved cornelius and his family were not saved befor water babtism ther was a reson as to why they were given it and if you notice also in chapter 11 it was given right as peter began to speak it was given so they would learn about God
Your claim that Cornelius the Gentile was saved before water baptism is inconsistent with the text of Acts 10 and 11. You've left out some important facts, friend. Please reread it again and answer this:
(a) An angel told Cornelius that Peter "will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved." (Acts 11:13-14). The angel said Simon Peter will "tell you what you must do." (Acts 10:6). Cornelius and his household were ready to hear Peter's commands (Acts 10:33).
(b) The only thing Peter commanded them to do was to be baptized. (Acts 2:47-48).
(c) Therefore, when Cornelius did what Peter said and was baptized, he was saved.
You assume without providing proof that only the saved were ever given the ability to speak in tongues (i.e., speak in languages they had not previously learned). Should I remind you of Balaam's donkey which God gave the ability to speak in a human tongue (Numbers 22:28-30), or do you believe it is counted among the saved?
not my own words from beggining of link wich i gave
http://www.christistheway.com/2004/a04a05aa.html
paden, I've been busy today. And where does the Bible say the donkey that spoke had the Holy Spirit?
I had a dog once that could sing the Blue Danube Waltz. She was pretty indiscriminate in her sex life so I'm not sure she had the Spirit. However, she never cut her hair so there was certainly hope of salvation. I'll go check the verses. Be right back.
Was Cornelius Saved Before
He Was Baptized?
by Tom Rainwater
QUESTION: Didn't you know that Cornelius was saved before he was baptized? That is because he received the Holy Spirit before he was baptized (Acts 10:44-48). The only ones ever given the ability to speak in tongues like this were those who were already saved.
ANSWER: Hello! Thanks for writing us.
Your claim that Cornelius the Gentile was saved before water baptism is inconsistent with the text of Acts 10 and 11. You've left out some important facts, friend. Please reread it again and answer this:
(a) An angel told Cornelius that Peter "will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved." (Acts 11:13-14). The angel said Simon Peter will "tell you what you must do." (Acts 10:6). Cornelius and his household were ready to hear Peter's commands (Acts 10:33).
(b) The only thing Peter commanded them to do was to be baptized. (Acts 2:47-48).
(c) Therefore, when Cornelius did what Peter said and was baptized, he was saved.
You assume without providing proof that only the saved were ever given the ability to speak in tongues (i.e., speak in languages they had not previously learned). Should I remind you of Balaam's donkey which God gave the ability to speak in a human tongue (Numbers 22:28-30), or do you believe it is counted among the saved?
But let's, for the sake of argument, assume you are correct in saying that whatever followed Cornelius' reception of the Spirit is unnecessary for salvation. If that is the case, not only is baptism eliminated from the plan of salvation, then so is faith. Peter said, "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them…." (Acts 11:15). According to the apostle, the Spirit came on the Gentiles at the beginning of his sermon. This was before he finished providing proofs that Jesus is Lord. This was before Cornelius and company came to believe in Jesus. Notice that Peter doesn't mention belief in Jesus until the very end of the sermon:
"To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." (Acts 10:43).
Consider the consequences of your position in regard to Christians:
(a) If only Christians received the Spirit,
(b) and Cornelius received the Spirit as Peter began to speak (Acts 11:15),
(c) then, people could become Christians without believing in Christ.
Friend, are you prepared to say faith is unnecessary for salvation? Or will you give up your argument?
this is the second part first part above not my own words
Now consider this:
(a) If Peter's words and commands were necessary toward Cornelius' salvation (Acts 10:6; 11:13-14),
(b) and Cornelius received the Spirit before Peter detailed the evidences concerning Christ and gave a command to Cornelius,
(c) then Cornelius received the Spirit before his salvation.
It should be obvious that the receiving of the Spirit and the speaking in tongues were not indications of a person's salvation. It is also interesting to notice that in the case of the twelve men at Ephesus (Acts 19:1-7), they received the Spirit and spoke in tongues after they were baptized in water. That's different from the order upon which your position depends.
Now we must ask: Why was the Spirit given to Cornelius and the other Gentiles to enable them to miraculously speak in tongues? God's purpose in this was to show the Jews who were present that He wanted Gentiles to be taught the same plan of salvation as they. First, God had to convince Peter in a vision to even have contact with the Gentiles (Acts 10:9-16,24-29; 11:4-10). As we noticed earlier, it was when Peter began to speak that the Spirit fell upon the Gentiles. This would have timed nicely with Peter's beginning words as he realizes:
"In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." (Acts 10:34-35).
What a demonstration to the Jews! Those with Peter were "astonished…because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also." (Acts 10:45). After his sermon and after contining to listen to these Gentiles "speak in tongues and magnify God," Peter said to his Jewish brethren:
"Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" (Acts 10:47).
Peter understood clearly what God wanted Him to do next: Command the Gentiles to be baptized (Acts 10:48). None of the Jews present who had witnessed these things dared dispute this conclusion. Peter knew he must do what God wanted and not "stand in God's way" (Acts 11:17, NASB).
When Peter later told about this event to other Jews, their immediate reaction was stunned silence, then praise. They rightly concluded: "God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." (Acts 11:18). So then, the purpose for pouring the Spirit on Cornelius and company was to convince the Jewish Chrisitans beyond doubt that Gentiles should be taught the same plan of salvation; and when the Gentiles obeyed, they would be saved and have life, too. Jews and Gentiles could now be equals in God's kingdom.
Friend, this passage in Acts doesn't teach that water baptism is unnecessary for salvation. It teaches the very opposite. It clearly and loudly affirms the essentiality of baptism. Baptism is a command God wants both believing Jews and Gentiles to hear.
"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." (Acts 10:48).
"…Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…" (Acts 2:38).
this was that article i guess you never read
i will now give an article to why babtism is essential
THE PURPOSE OF BAPTISM
by Keith Sharp
"Every Christian should be baptized, not in order to save him but because he is saved" (Joe T. Odle, Church Member's Handbook [for use in Baptist churches], Broadman Press, p. 17).
Our religious neighbors almost universally deny that water baptism is essential to salvation. If they are right, members of the church of Christ are guilty of Pharisaism, adding a requirement to salvation God has not made (Mark 7:1-8). If they are wrong, then millions of people who think they are saved are in fact lost, having failed to obey from the heart (with the understanding) a command essential to salvation (Romans 6:17-18). Since this question involves the eternal destiny of the soul, no question of more paramount importance could ever engage our attention (Matthew 16:26-27). Thus, we urgently inquire, What is the purpose of water baptism?
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, 'Most assuredly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.'"
There is one new birth, of water and the Spirit. The Spirit of God leads us by the gospel to be born again (Romans 8:14; 1 Peter 1:22-23). The only element of the gospel with which water is connected is baptism (Acts 8:36-39; 10:47-48). When the Holy Spirit leads us by the gospel to be baptized in water, we are born anew. Unless we do this, we cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Mark 16:16
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
The Lord divided people into two categories, the saved and the lost. Those who do not believe will be lost. Those who believe and are baptized will be saved. Christ made baptism as much a condition of salvation as He did belief. There are only two categories, not three. Jesus knew nothing of unbaptized, saved people. To be saved one must have enough faith in Jesus Christ to obey Him in baptism.
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'"
The apostle Peter assigned to baptism the same purpose as repentance. If repentance is unto the remission of sins, so is baptism. Baptism "in the name of Jesus Christ" is "for the remission of sins." This is the same phrase, both in the English and in the original Greek, found in Matthew 26:28, where Jesus declared He would shed His blood "for the remission of sins." The Son of man shed His blood in order that our sins might be taken away, and we are to be baptized in order that our sins might be taken away.
Acts 22:16
"And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Ananias commanded Saul to be baptized and promised him his sins would be washed away as the result.
Romans 6:3-4
"Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
Baptism brings the sinner into Christ, where he receives "every spiritual blessing" (Ephesians 1:3) including salvation (2 Timothy 2:10). It also brings the sinner into the death of Christ, where he receives the benefits of His blood, justification from sin (Romans 5:9-10). The significance of baptism is that by going through a likeness of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, thereby demonstrating our faith in Him, we receive the benefits of His death in our behalf. Baptism stands between the sinner and being in Christ (verse 3), being in the death of Christ (verse 4), the new life in Christ (verse 5), being united with Christ (verse 5), being united with the Lord's crucifixion (verse 6), and freedom from sin (verse 7).
Galatians 3:26-27
"For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
We become sons of God by faith when we are baptized into Christ. Baptism stands between the sinner and becoming a son of God, getting into Christ, and putting on Christ.
Ephesians 5:25-26
"Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it, that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word."
Baptism is a "washing of water," in fact, it is the only "washing of water" taught by the word. Christ cleanses the church, thus it is by grace (Ephesians 2:8-10), but He does this when we are baptized. The power to cleanse is in the word (John 15:3), but it is exercised in baptism. Any baptism not taught by the word is ineffective.
Colossians 2:11-13
"In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead, And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses."
Christ performs an operation without hands upon our hearts when we through faith are buried with Him in baptism. He removes the sins of the flesh from the heart, forgiving us all our trespasses, and we are made alive with Him. Baptism stands between the sinner and having his sins removed, being raised with Christ, being made alive with Him, and being forgiven.
Titus 3:5
"..not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.."
We do not earn righteousness, but we are saved by the mercy of God. This is accomplished when we are born anew through being washed (in water – John 3:5) and being made anew by the Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 10:22
"let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water."
When our bodies are washed in water, the blood of Christ is applied to our consciences, cleansing them from sin.
1 Peter 3:21
"There is also an antitype which now saves us, namely baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.."
Baptism saves us. It does not do this through removing dirt from the body but through allowing the conscience to be good toward God. This is not through any power in the water but by the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. The creeds of men assert: There is not one passage in the Bible that teaches that baptism is necessary for salvation (Odle, p. 16). They contend, "Baptism doth also NOT save us." But the Scriptures teach, "Baptism doth also NOW save us" (1 Peter 3:21, KJV). Will you accept the creeds of men or the word of God?
Conclusion
The purpose of water baptism is to save the alien sinner from his sins. Dear friend, you cannot be taught wrong and be baptized right (Romans 6:17-18). You must be baptized for the right purpose, the remission of sins. Any other baptism is spiritually worthless. "And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
You sound like a man (or sophomore) that knows his Bible. Could you help me out brother? Please research the scripture that explains how to defuse the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. Get back to me quickly, I got a real problem here. Thanks in advance.
um the holy hand grenade of antioch. sorry i think thats something from monty python and the holy greal and do not know where it is in the bible.please explain and maybe i can answere
Well Paden, most of what YOUR cult believes in isn't found in the Bible either. It's either inferred, supposition or just plain crap.
And if you ever spell "grail" that way again, I will hunt you down and beat the living daylights out of you!
sry chris didnt mean to offend you i guess your a myonty python fan too but did you know that the church of christ is the only one that says speak where the bible speaks and keep silent where the bible is silent. its the only church found in the bible. its one of the few with a bibical name. its one of the very few that worships correctly. its the only one that does things according to the bible and backs every thing it does up with scripture. i bet you would be surpised to find out that where ever you attend if they are using instrumental music in worship to God that they are sinning and basicaly mocking God for acting like there so good and this is so uplifting and then not do as hes commanded. i challenge you chris name one thing the church of Christ does that is not right.
and leave johny out of it just the church of Christ
hey chris just looking aat some of your pictures you dont seem that scarey are you pretty big and strong because i wiegh about 165 and about 6feet tall if you would actualy consider fighting me and it would be sad if a 15year old wupt you.
ps. hey im just messin with you please dont get mad at me so that you want to inflict pain im just playing usualy when the topic isnt bibical or important
You just named a whole slew of things wrong with your brand of "Church of Christ", Paden.
1. The "Church of Christ" is not "the church" that is found in the Bible. The "Church of Christ" as your cult and its leaders and followers have defined it only came into being in the last part of the 19th century and early part of the 20th century.
2. You and the rest of your cult – including Johnny Robertson and James Oldfield – put more faith in the name of your church and the words that are on the sign outside of your congregations than you put faith in Christ.
3. Who the heck are you or anyone else to tell anyone that your worship is "correct" and all others are wrong? I mean, not even I would ever assume that my own worship is "right" and that of all others is mistaken. Once again, you are putting faith in your church and its doctrines and not faith in Jesus Christ, Who alone is supposed to be what we have faith in! You are literally "leaning on your own understanding" to a most grievous degree!
4. Even Satan knows scripture and can use it against us. He even tried to use it against Jesus.
5. To use music is neither a sin, or not a sin. It is one of the things that we have liberty in, and to assume that it is a sin is to assume something that is not in scripture at all. As many people have noted over the years, this is just one very odd thing that your cult has latched onto for mere sake of "trying to be different". If you can find a single verse teaching that musical instruments are a sin, I would like to see it… but the simple fact of the matter is, it's nowhere in the Bible.
6. You are not 15 years old.
7. You would be surprised at how much I can easily bench press.
ok chris let me examine each part carefully so you will understand.
1.if you want to say the church of Christ in wich we see today in america started in the 19th or 20th century then fine. but that doesnt change anything. i will assume that you would agree that there was the first century church wich Christ established and the apostles led and built up. they gave instruction on how the church is to operate.look when one is added to the church of christ hes not added to a denomiantion but is added to the body wich Christ established.the church never ended only denominations broke off.first was the roman catholic around 600a.d. but the church in the bible has never stopped and any one can be apart of that first centuray church if they do what the bible says the thing is there aernt any denominations doing it
2.in no way because take thee assemble of God. i would say they probably have an acceptable name but in no way what they teach is correct. but take the babtist or luthrens neither of wich are acceptable names and that should tell you something if people call themselfs something thats not in the bible.
3.look this is where people in the denominational world miss it.i base none of my views on feeling or that im just going to believe in jesus and every thing will be okay.and for me to say something is correct or wrong then its not my personal judgemant but the bibles wich i am stating (john 7:24). if all we need in is to believe in jesus christ then there rely isnt a whole lot to the bible is there. we are suppose to let the bible be our guide and obey it.does it not say if you love me keep my comandments. look we are to beilieve and trust in jesus but that alone will not get us to heaven.you say just have faith.the bible teaches the faith that saves is the faith that obeys.
4. yes i agree completly thats why you study to show yourself approved a workmen that needth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of God
5.uh (neither a sin, or not a sin) i think you repeated yourself.but i think your trying to say that it doesnt matter either way.ok this is why instrumental music is sinful.there is no authoritie given by God for it and since we are specificaly told to sing then instrumental music would be an adition. this is where tha argument falls.if you want to use instrumental music then you must have bibical authorite in order to justify. so if you think you can justify it be my guest.
6.why am i not 15 years old.how old do you think i am and why.
7.i bet i would
ahhhhhhhhhhh good grief chris why do you have a video game advertisement on your blog with a girl showing off her boobs
please take it off
Do the scriptures speak against boob showing? Never mind the hand grenade issue, I think I got bigger problems.
What in the world are you talking about Paden?? I don't see anything like you are referring to.
I do see a Google banner advertisement with three links to "Church of Christ" whatever that means. So I guess you should be thanking me for giving your denomination some publicity.
'Course, anyone who clicks on them is also giving me money in return, so I can't complain either.
um every time ive got in today ive see and advertizment for the game evony and it shows a blonde girl with a low cut top and her boobs bulging out on the left of your blog
oh to anonoumouse yes the scriptures talk about modest dress and appareal. tell me is it wrong to lust. when you see a hot girl who has big boobs and shes sticking them out there for every one to see does that not cause lust
and chris the church of Christ is the one and only true church and is therefor not a denomination
would you please stop discussing and referring to "boobs", it's really offensive and not appropriate when in mixed (gender that is) company and in no way related to anything else that was being discussed.
"and chris the church of Christ is the one and only true church and is therefor not a denomination "
That is the most laugh-inducing thing that I have ever read.
"the one and only true church"?
Prove it, bucko.
You can't. Neither can anyone else.
There is nothing about your alleged "Church of Christ" that bears it out as being any better than any other denomination…
…and that is what it is. You can huff and puff about it "not being a denomination" all you want, but it is a denomination of Christianity… and most likely not even that much.
I will dare say this though: the vast majority of the Baptists, the Methodists etc. that I have met are far more Christ-like than your "Church of Christ".
It doesn't matter by what denominational appellation a Christian is known as being part of. Doesn't bother me one bit that "Methodist" and "Baptist" aren't mentioned in the Bible. Because "By their FRUITS shall ye know them…"!
The fruit of the vast majority of the "denominational" people that you and Johnny Robertson and the rest of your cult hate, is love and peace and humility and longsuffering and everything else that comes with having Christ alive within us.
What is your fruit, Paden? What is the fruit of Robertson, Oldfield and the rest of the cult?
The only fruit they produce is hatred, bitterness, envy, spite, division, and a never-ending stream of outright lies and accusations without basis.
If any rational person seeking Christ had to judge between your twisted cult and a typical Baptist church, that person will choose the Baptist church every time.
Because, Paden, your "Church of Christ" has nothing!
AnonouMouse here. I won't say the "B" word again. Paladin started it. It's just so hard to keep up with all these rules and then Chris switched the subject to fruit. I'll study on it some more and maybe figure it out.
AnonouMouse
Chris see if you can remove that ad with the girl. You are causing Paden to sin since he is without doubt unable to turn away from that picture and he is masturbating to it. Chris you are causing Paden to not be faithful! He is going to hell because of an ad on your blog!
ok i will start from top to bottom.
katie-if boobs affends you then should i use breasts ecause they mean the same thing and i was only refering to it in the context of wich it was wrong.
chris-this is what bothers me about you.either you dont listen or you just talk befor thinking.look we know for a fact that Jesus established one church.we no there is only one church and one way to heaven.we no the bible only teaches one doctrine. therefor since there are so many differnt so called churches then you can safely say that not all are right or there would be no division.so you must ask yourself wich one folos the bible.now i know for a fact that the church of Christ does.now thats not saying everyone who calls themselves church of Christ is the church of Christ.so you must put every denomination or church to the test to see wich one is right.and i would like for you to prove that its not the one and only true church being as there is no doctrinal error. but tell me where ever you go and ill give you a whole list of things wrong with that denomination.and your comment about you shall know them by your fruits is correct and the way you and alot of other people treat johny shows your fruits.you look at johny and you see someonr trying to teach the bible for what it says and show people they will lose there soul if they do not change because denomiantionalism is false but no you dont like being told your wrong.look son if someone told me i was wrong and it turned out they were wrong.i would still want to hear them out because i care for my soul and desire to do whats right. you on the other hand just get mad.you dont like johny because he stands up for the bible and doesnt back down so you call him a cult wich shows your ignorance because a cult doesnt even operate like johny.you just say that because the truth makes you mad.why do you hold to your false views wich the scriptures do not suport. your soul is not worth losing.so grow up and go study the facts.maybe you should contact johny and just try a bibe study.but you say oh no johny will hurt me.yah right you said you could take me and i think im bigger than he is so why do you need a gun.never the less why feel threatened he doesnt ever attack people physicaly.he only attacks false doctrine and error.
to anonymos-dude that is what makes me sick about denominationalism they just talk instead of letting the bible talk for them.maybe thats why there so off on everything they dont look at what does the bible say.
to 2nd anonymous- shut up dude. why would you say something like that.that is completly inaporopriat.chris you should delete that comment.
Someone please find some mugshots of Johnny Robertson and Charles Roark and post them somewhere.
I bet Johnny Robertson or Charles Roark would post anyone's mug shot if they had it.
Paden,
"now i know for a fact that the church of Christ does"
As a former editor of mine at a newspaper was fond of pointing out: "Opinions are like assholes: EVERYONE has one."
You know for a fact that your "Church of Christ" is THE only church in the New Testament, Paden?
And yet you offer no biblical/scriptural evidence of this.
Hilarious!
Johnny Robertson was on the phone with Charles Roark talking about the underaged girls dancing in church and he could see panties. He said they were showing as much as you could see in any kiddie porn shop. Wonder how he would know that. It is my understanding that video of the girls was aired on another TV station and it seems no one else saw panties except John Boy.
Johnny was also uncomfortable with some ladies who were employed with a bank he had gone into upset about the way they were dressed. He said his wife didn't like it either. Maybe she should keep him home to protect him. Maybe the banks should put up signs.
During that phone conversation Charles Roark commented to him perverts were in church.
hey chris your hilarious to call yourself a bible theologian and even argue that there is one church.you want scripture then here you go.ill also post it on here being as you probably wont go read it anyway.
Ephesians 5:23
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
notice the church is singular in form
ephesians 1:22-23
22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
1 Corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling
Romans 16:16
Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
this is denominationalism
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men
this proves babtism and it purpose
Romans 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
ill let you comment on this first and by the way you never even attempted to justify instrumental music
In the words of Darth Vader, this will be "All too easy…"
"Ephesians 5:23
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
notice the church is singular in form"
My response:
The church is the entire body of believers throughout time.
"Romans 16:16
Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you."
My response:
Your own "Church of Christ" doesn't even salute one another with a holy kiss. So you are violating a scriptural command. Who are YOU then to tell others that they are wrong when you merely perceive, with no scriptural basis, that they are violating a supposed "command"?
Regarding baptism:
If there is a baptism that saves, it is that of the Holy Spirit. I've never seen it found anywhere, and I have looked for it, that water baptism is required for salvation. That's just something your own cult made up and tries to enforce (and it's not the first either).
And regarding "you never even attempted to justify instrumental music"
I've never seen any explicit prohibition against it. Doesn't really matter to me whether instruments are used or not. It's not an issue pertaining to salvation or scriptural obedience.
Paden, I actually feel pretty sorry for you, as well as everyone else under the spell of Johnny Robertson and hyper-legalism.
You are stuck at a spiritual dead end. You are not growing in Christ. Instead you've been deluded into thinking you have to stay where you are, and not grow and change. You aren't letting Him change you like unto Him.
So I have to ask: are you really spiritually alive at all?
ill start with your question am i spiritualy alive. well im not exactly sure what your asking please define a little bit so i know exactly what your asking.i dont want to answere you and that not be what your asking.now to your comments
you said "The church is the entire body of believers throughout time."
i say prove it
go to the 2nd chapter of acts and it teaches in order to get into the body one must be saved.
prove that is a specific command and not a general like Jesus washing the apostles feet.i dont think you would argue that we are commanded to wash peoples feet but rather simple to serve in whatever way we choose.
if there is a babtism that saves it is the holy spirit babtism.yes thank you chris you have submited to babtism. you agree with me.you just dont realize it.there arent 2 differnt babtisms but one. acts 2:38 shows this that water babtism is when you recieve the gift os the holy spirit wich is salvation.and if you looked you didnt look hard because 1peter says it saves you.
you dont see anything wrong with instrumental music.rely.well do you see anything with playing a game of baseball during worship on sunday morning.or how about puting a little penut buttter and jelly on the lords supper.it is the same way with instrumental music.it is an addition in wich we have no athoritie.it is a differnt kind of music wich God did not authorize.it is an addition to Gods word wich is forbiden.we are not to add to or take away revalation 22:18-19.
Why aren't you greeting each other with the holy kiss, Paden? Why are you disobedient?
Why are you jeopardizing your salvation like that?
See? You are just as guilty of ignoring scripture as anyone else that you accuse of doing so. If that alone doesn't make you "denominational" then I don't know what does.
But like any other cult member, you will no doubt ignore this and disassociate your mind from ever considering it.
Hey Chris if Robertson and Oldfield give each other the holy kiss on TV live that would convince me to be baptized into the church of Christ. Think they will do it?????
im curious as to why you think holy kiss is a physical kiss and to you chris as to why you never respond to all i say and just one thiing. why dont you prove to me a holy kiss is a physical kiss and isnt an act of greeting. and if you accuse us of not doing it then you are as guilty as well.but you wont do it either. why not. your argument holds no water.to make it say we are to touch lips with one another would also insinuate homosexuality.are you trying to make the bible contradict its self.when are you ever going to use some common sense
"im curious as to why you think holy kiss is a physical kiss"
By the very same token: We have no idea at all that the "baptism" that your cult demands is supposed to be a physical water baptism either.
You lose. Again.
a physical water babtism are you joking.again chris please in order for you to understand somethings you have to think.the holy kiss is the same as the washing of the disiples feet.now babtism is differnt were given example of people going down into the water abd we are told to be babtized specificaly for a result and we are told what it results in and that is salavtion and remision of sins.
and in your own words
you lose again
and i havent lost yet
Paden, are you sincerely trying to tell us that the Bible didn't give us PLENTY enough of examples of kissing that you don't know what "kiss" means?!?
*jaw hits floor*
I don't know what planet you people have dropped in off of, but you are definitely not on any wavelength that I've ever experienced in a rational world.
your saying the bible talks about kissing so it means we should kiss each other. where does the bible talk about kissing and why dont you folo this since you say its a command and why cant it simply show greeting one another,i cant belive you would argue that we are wrong and that evryone should greet each other with kissing.
if you affirm this this chris then you are a
1.hypocrite
2.supporting homosexuality
(do you honestly think this is saying we guy shoud greet a guy with a kiss)
chris why cant this just mean to greet each other
The "holy kiss" is a command, or at least it is just as much as you and your cult insist that baptism is a command, that no musical instruments is a command, etc.
Once again you are "picking and choosing" what you wish to follow from the Bible.
And yet you still insist on condemning others for the same thing?
Paden, trust me: you do not have just a plank in your eye. You have the whole bloomin' sawmill.
look im not denying its a command thats not the argument.the argument is whether it is simply a command to greet or to physicaly kiss and if you would like to take the potion of physical kiss then you are wrong too.but why dont you just reasearch and figure it out on your own.it is a comand to greet not to kiss.just like Jesus washing the apostles feet is not a command to physicaly wash there feet but to serve one another.tell me how babtism is the same.babtism is not just a comand it is essential for salvation.instrumetal music has no authorite and is an addition.
loser paden has not made any sense. his mind is like a hamster, running in endless circles.
Paladin and Chris,
All this kissing and gay stuff is over my head so I need to go back a few posts and ask about the peanut butter in church. I went to a church where the preacher ran on pretty good and lots of the folks got frigidity towards the end. I think this peanut butter is a good idea !! It would go good with the fruit you were talking about earlier and the people would maybe listen to the preacher longer and learn some stuff.
Paladin, Do you do this in your church? How did it work out? Later I have some questions about the music.
Thanks a lot, I'm learning.
AnonouMouse